In what context is the word god. im sorry but if some superior being made us then my money is on Aliens. Now it stands to reason that maybe we didnt evolve from Ape's but to have some bloke called jesus who saved the world from itself is just complete shit.
God is the exclusive and only diety without limit in the context I'm using here.
Okay. What's your reasoning that, if we didn't evolve from a 'lower' animal and that aliens did plant us?
If i proclaimed i was jesus and that i could do all this magical healing and stuff. cure blind pps and run through a temple turning over merchants tables and the like then surely i would be locked up for being a complete nutter.
Okay, this needs some context interjected here. For sacrifices, an animal like a goat or ox was used. The key was that it couldn't just be any one they wanted, but the best, not lame, have wounds, be sick, etc. The problem here was that poor people would bring their best, but the priests would tell them that the animal wasn't worthy for sacrificing to God and that they had to purchase one of the animals that they certified were pure. It wasn't that the priests weren't supposed to make sure of this, but it was the fact that they went ahead and charged exhorbant prices for the animals. They were screwing people who were trying to obey God, and that's why Jesus flipped out. It was a just anger, like when a child rapist gets off the hook with a slap on the wrist. It wasn't like 'you insulted my momma, lemme bust a cap in yo' face' type anger.
As far as miracles, Jesus made the claim of being God, so he's either got a bunch of liars backing him up (which would be pretty hard, since the stories don't contradict the character of Jesus) or they're telling the truth. Additionally, if someone is God, wouldn't you expect them to be able to prove it.
Jesus if at all the same person who has been scripted by 2nd, 3rd or even 4th hand accounts of a person, was little more than a modern day anachist who rightly died for his part in an uprising, which it sounds very much like it is.
Jesus did not start a revolt. There were a lot of people that thought he was going to come and overthrow the Roman empire, but that was not the goal. The religious leaders didn't like Jesus because he was infringing in their territory. Both King Herod and Roman governor Potius Pilate did not find any reason to condemn Jesus, neither of which was exactly interested in helping Jesus out.
Ever played the game called chinese whispers or even maybe boasted to friends about something which might be slightly more appealing than if you just told it like it is.
Nope.
Folk stories and Mythology is where jesus and the word of God belong.
But they're not myths. They're facts, documented by people, like Jewish secular historian Josephus, who didn't recieve mention in the Bible. Additionally, how is that 4 men in the Bible with first-hand accounts all corroborate each others story? They're certainly picking up on different observations, but they're not in conflict with each other.
Weird though how alot of americans believe in god and stuff and the english think its crap. I could talk for days on this subject but i'll leave it at this for now.
So, the argument is that whatever the English say in an argument is true and the American point is false?
The Americanized Christianity isn't what I believe. The Americanized version centers around themselves, how Jesus was a good example, how you can make the Bible work for you, how to be a better person. It's more pop-psychology than about Jesus. I think that view is rubbish.
The Bible and the core of Christianity centers around Jesus and what He did.
The starting point is that
everyone has not only sinned, meriting a one-way ticket to Hell, but we are damned, due to Adam's sin. We are credited as sinners from the start. Jesus comes along, lives a perfect life in thought, word, and deed, every micro-second of his time on earth and then is executed and his life poured out to cover everyone sins. God credits everyone He calls to himself as perfect, even though, as I'm sure you've noticed, they fail, i.e sin. That doesn't mean Hell doesn't exist and that nobody will end up there, but as far as salvation goes, it is
nothing you do. There is a 'personal' relationship, but it's created and maintained by Jesus.
That's the only thing that's promised. You're not promised a hunky-dory life, nice neighbors, feeling happy all the time...I'm convinced a lot of Americanized Christianity must involve drug use with the beliefs used.
Of course, I know I can't make you accept this or believe it, but it is my duty to offer an intelligent argument for this faith. It's God's show, not mine.
