zippy ranked high?

good post mat, personly, i think HWF is the best hardware forums existing, also, if a member, or admin etc.. of a website/forum visits HWF or any other forum, and starts bad mouthing the forum the admin of w/e has visited, then thats going to put people off the visiting that members forum.

HWF is a very welcoming forum, i remember back when i first joined, almost a year now, its very welcoming, everyone was kind, and aso the forum look is kind

anyway, that list is confusing, Were is HIPER?, i done see hiper?!?!, is this list complete?

 

You did come on a bit strong in your first few posts TSF. I choose to ignore it at first but now I see this has gotten out of hand.

Please think before you type!

If you have a few ideas you would like to put forward, please post them in the 'Suggestions & Feedback' forum. The 'Power Supplies' forum is not the place to tell us 'our forum design is crap'

Back to the original subject, I am pleased that Sparkle were rated High. Their power supplies are built to last. I've still got an old Sparkle 235W workhorse that's powering my Pentium 3

 

well, adjust the list to your liking then..nothings perfect, i was just trying to contribute...

add or remove the rankings to your perceived specifications

companies change, and obviously some for the worse, and perhaps with zippy, maybe a vast improvement for what they were.

but Matt, the gloves were dropped by the first response to my first post, lets be fair about it...[ps...Dont you realize you can change the forum skin if you don't like the looks? And I bet your running at 640x480 resolution as well....]

you guys have a nice, quaint forum here, and some of you kids are very sharp. I think its good that you defend your home the way you do.
very commendable.

i also know that geek types [ no offense.. talking about us all ] have thin skin.

 

We love our forums, we like helping others and in return like to helped.
It's not the member count that matters, it's the atmosphere and of course, the members.

Oh look, more sarcasm

 

LOL
so you must be the resident pot stirrer. [snot nosed kid] -jk
you just cant let things end respectfully ..with compliments delivered by me.

but thats OK

i like the way the other's defended their house.

i like the way the mods didn't throw any warnings or bans.. to flex their muscles.

i will peek around occasionally, i dont know what you guys did without me.
:70s: :yesmaster :deadman:

 

I appreciate that you posted a list of power supply quality ratings, as such a thing is extremely useful, and your list looks fairly inclusive as well. That being said, the reason you got people's backs up a bit around here wasn't your list, or questioning Zippy PSUs (for the record I don't know anything about Zippy; I use Enermax for quality systems and Thermaltake or Antec for budget rigs). What it was that set some people off, in my perception at least, was the apparent arrogance in your attitude. You may have a very well-established reputation on other forums, but nobody here knows you so you cannot and should not expect to be taken too seriously with under 50 posts... hell, we don't even allow people into our Buy / Sell / Trade forums at all until they have 50 posts under their belt. And honestly, that's not unreasonable.

So my point is simply this: ease off a little bit, don't take yourself too seriously, and you'll get along very well here. The beauty part of hardwareforums.com is that user base is relatively small, but with a dedicated and loyal core group. That means each post gets a lot of attention relative to many other forums. Now don't get me wrong here; I've never even been on or heard of the other forum you referred to, so I'm not drawing comparisons. Also, believe it or not we welcome when people challenge misconceptions and correct misinformation. But such situations must be approached with a certain level of perception of local climate and an appropriate level of sensitivity if you expect others to react well to your suggestions.

By the way, welcome to hardwareforums.

-AT

 

Just to clear it up...that was my fault. I was meaning to ask for the thread and for some reason but forum...then changed it but the guy answered too damn fast

 

Okay, guys, let's keep it on topic or this thread gets locked. It's getting heated in here, so let's stay on topic of the power supply list.

TFS: Cut the crap. Myself and Anti-Trend have given you a fair amount of warnings. There's nothing wrong with joking around, but you are carrying things too far. We will not put up with your attitude, so consider yourself warned.
Everyone else: don't encourage him.

 

I almost forgot about the list
TSF, Do you have a link to where you got this information from?
I would like to see it first hand so i know any old joe didn't make it up.

 

Sorry Big B.

Yeah some background information on the list would be good, an article maybe? Some testing? Otherwise it's just a list with no real value.

 

honestly

i dont know who compiled the list, but the consensus of the techs, many of whom run shops have concurred, and even added their professional opinions.

if you are the techno geeks with extensive knowledge, chime in and alter or edit the list to your liking..input is appreciated.

as i mentioned, products do change.

you guys have to know how many issues arise from fluctuating, stressed out, underpowered, cheapo $30 supplies....that are powering todays high wattage video cards and processors.

[now i am being harassed via pm's]...real nice

 

Oh, we've been aware of the power supply issue for quite some time. IMO, it's probably the least minded part in a rig build. We've proably started harping about it for the past year or so, but the PSU forum has only been recently added in (and way past due). Just following patterns around the web, it's been very apparent how a quality power supply with solid amperage has to be factored into a good system. I'm constantly amazed when people have no problems dropping $600 on a video card, but don't want to spend $80 on a good power supply. Getting the word out about skimping on the power supply being a bad move is the best you can do.

If you send me the PM's I can look into it.

 

Well, iStar does make some server power supplies which are quite robust, though their low-end PSUs are probably OEM'ed models of cheaper brands. There are almost certainly other brands on the list as well which are over-simplified like that.

As for Delta, their PSUs should probably be categorized as M/H. I've seen Delta PSUs go bad, but only when they were under-spec'd for the power requirements necessary. HP has done things like place a 50-80watt Delta in a hot-running, small form-factor PC which should really have upwards of 120watt PSU. In that case, the PSUs do have a tendancy to fry, but I wouldn't fault Delta so much as HP.

 

I think most of us here know the importance of a good quality PSU. It used to be the case that any PSU would work and as long as the thing turned on that was okay but people now realise that with the high-power components in todays computers a good, clean, stable source of power is a must. Expecially when you could have some components drawing over 100 Watts under load. It's always nice to know that you've got the power needed to keep a rig running on decent power.

In that list specific models under each brand would have been better.
It's a good basis but needs some 'tweaking' I think.

 

Another issue is that many of the reviews I've read on power supplies do not consist of using any equipment designed for this. Usually, these reviews consist of the reviewer looking at the power supply's wattage, plugging it in, running prime 95 or 3Dmark for a few hours, and saying if it crashed or not. Occasionally, you might see one use a $10 multimeter in testing. PC Perspective and X-Bit have done some very indepth PSU reviews, but you're pretty much going to come out with brands like Antec, Enermax, Fortron/Sparkle, OCZ, Silverstone, and others with the high ratings come out on top. You look at other reviews that just go by if the system didn't crash under certain circumstances (overclocked to xGHz) and you'll find that an Ultra X-Connect 500 will do just as well as a PC Power & Cooling 510, despite a $200 price difference.

 

Yeah that's a problem sometimes, but the article I made a thread on over here used specialist equipment in Germany, the stuff used to test it cost £20,000 which is why they went to a specialist center to test them and get real results rather than using a multi-meter and giving opinions on how they thought the PSUs performed under the tests.

 

Agreed. Also frustrating is when they take one unit from each brand (seemingly selected based solely on availability) and test them against eachother. One unit of one model-type is not a good baseline indicator for quality or performance. Indeed, it's rather laughable when you look at it that way, especially when they don't tell you which rail(s) failed and under which conditions. They also do not select PSUs with similar amperage ratings, which is just crazy if you ask me.

In any case, some reviews can be quite accurate and informative. Most are not. But I agree with a majority of what I see on the posted list, with the exception of a few I've mentioned earlier. There are also some brands I have not worked with and therefore cannot comment on.

 

Seriously, before this forum i thought it was all about watts. I feel more confident when buying a PSU now, but i still come back 'home' when i have any questions.